{"id":1100,"date":"2015-02-10T12:11:25","date_gmt":"2015-02-10T12:11:25","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/?p=1100"},"modified":"2015-02-10T12:11:25","modified_gmt":"2015-02-10T12:11:25","slug":"hayirdir-insallah-bir-ruya-gordum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/?p=1100","title":{"rendered":"HAYIRDIR \u0130N\u015eALLAH. B\u0130R R\u00dcYA G\u00d6RD\u00dcM."},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>R\u00fcyamda<\/p>\n<p>ABD de ulusal dan\u0131\u015fmanl\u0131k yapm\u0131\u015f iki ki\u015fiyle<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 ve Scowcroft la konu\u015fuyorum.<\/p>\n<p>Ben soruyorum, onlar cevap veriyor<\/p>\n<p>Konu\u015fma aynen \u015f\u00f6yle.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Birinci d\u00fcnya sava\u015f\u0131 ne zaman tam olarak bitmi\u015ftir?<\/p>\n<p>Scowcroft -So\u011fuk sava\u015f\u0131n sona ermesi<\/p>\n<p>ayr\u0131ca Birinci d\u00fcnya sava\u015f\u0131n\u0131n da ger\u00e7ekten sona ermesi oldu<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Soru.Sava\u015f sonras\u0131 yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gereken nedir?<\/p>\n<p>Scowcroft -Sorunlu bir b\u00f6lge olan Orta Do\u011fudan ba\u015flay\u0131p,<\/p>\n<p>d\u00fcnyay\u0131 tekrar d\u00fczenleme ihtiyac\u0131m\u0131z var.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Buna neden ihtiya\u00e7 duyuluyor ki?<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 -K\u00fcresel g\u00fcc\u00fcn merkezi Atlantik d\u00fcnyas\u0131ndan<\/p>\n<p>uzak do\u011fuya do\u011fru bir kayma s\u00f6z konusu<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Anlad\u0131m ayakta kalabilme korkusu.<\/p>\n<p>Peki Amerikan toplumu bunu ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirecek potansiyele sahip mi?<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 \u2013 Amerikal\u0131lar ilgin\u00e7\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>hem iyi e\u011fiti alm\u0131\u015f,<\/p>\n<p>hem de insan\u0131 hayrete d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrecek kadar bilgisiz insanlar.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Bu kadar cehalet ancak e\u011fitimle olur mu diyorsunuz.<br \/>\nBunu ge\u00e7elim.Sormak istedi\u011fim \u015fu.<br \/>\nB\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnyay\u0131 d\u00fczenlemek.<\/p>\n<p>G\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc bir iddia.<\/p>\n<p>Ama san\u0131r\u0131m temelde kastedilen Orta Do\u011fu.<br \/>\nOrta Do\u011fuyu nas\u0131l bir proje ile yeniden d\u00fczenlemeyi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 -Orta Do\u011fuda istikrar\u0131 sa\u011flaman\u0131n tek yolunun<\/p>\n<p>orada istikrar\u0131 bozmak oldu\u011funu var say\u0131yor (um).<br \/>\nYani var olan y\u00f6netimleri devir,<\/p>\n<p>demokrasi i\u00e7in zemin haz\u0131rla ve<\/p>\n<p>sonra \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn ye\u015ferdi\u011fini g\u00f6receksin.<br \/>\nBunun ne meyve verece\u011fini biliyoruz.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Ger\u00e7i biz o meyvelerin \u00f6l\u00fcm oldu\u011funu ya\u015fayarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz.<\/p>\n<p>Gelen tek \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnde bat\u0131n\u0131n istedi\u011fi<\/p>\n<p>ekonomik anla\u015fmalar\u0131n yap\u0131lmas\u0131 \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc<\/p>\n<p>olu\u011funu da ya\u015fayarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz.<\/p>\n<p>Amerika\u2019dan b\u00f6yle g\u00f6r\u00fcnmeye bilir ama buradan g\u00f6r\u00fclen maalesef bu.<\/p>\n<p>Bu d\u00fczenleme i\u015fi zor g\u00f6r\u00fcnm\u00fcyor mu.<br \/>\nO co\u011frafyadaki insanlar\u0131n<\/p>\n<p>Amerika\u2019ya bak\u0131\u015f a\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131 belli,<\/p>\n<p>tav\u0131rlar\u0131 belli.<\/p>\n<p>Bu durum g\u00f6z \u00f6n\u00fcnde bulunduruldu\u011funda,<\/p>\n<p>sanki imkans\u0131z\u0131n pe\u015findeymi\u015fsiniz duygusuna kap\u0131lm\u0131yor musunuz?<\/p>\n<p>Bu zorlu\u011fu yenecek metot ne?<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 \u2013 Bu s\u00fcre\u00e7te yanda\u015flar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 da yan\u0131m\u0131za ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 varsay\u0131n.<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Bu konuda yanda\u015f bulmak .M\u00fcmk\u00fcn m\u00fc?<br \/>\nBrzez\u0131nsk\u0131 -Bence bu daha verimli olur(du)<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Bu yanda\u015f bulma i\u015fi.Zor gibi.<\/p>\n<p>Nihayetinde yanda\u015f dedi\u011finiz,<\/p>\n<p>\u0130slam co\u011frafyas\u0131nda etkili biri olacak.<\/p>\n<p>B\u00f6ylesine etkili birini de yanda\u015f yapmak.<\/p>\n<p>Kolay bir \u015fey gibi gelmiyor bana.<br \/>\nAk\u0131l d\u0131\u015f\u0131 gibi.<\/p>\n<p>Hem \u0130slam co\u011frafyas\u0131na etkili olacak,<\/p>\n<p>hem de Amerikan\u0131n dedi\u011fini yapacak bir lider.<br \/>\nR\u00fcyamda g\u00f6rsem inanmam<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 \u2013 E\u011fer liderlikten kast\u0131m\u0131z ilk olarak emirler yerine ilham vermekse<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Anlad\u0131m.Hayalleri akl\u0131n\u0131 a\u015fm\u0131\u015f insanlardan s\u00f6z ediyorsunuz.<br \/>\nBu olabilir.<\/p>\n<p>Hani Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 Amerikan toplumundan bahsederken demi\u015fti ya,<\/p>\n<p>hem iyi e\u011fitim, hem kara cahillik i\u00e7 i\u00e7e diye,<\/p>\n<p>san\u0131r\u0131m d\u00fcnyada tam tersi olan toplumlarda vard\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p>Yani hem k\u00f6t\u00fc e\u011fitim, hem her konuda bitmek bilmeyen fikir ve projeler.<br \/>\nB\u00f6yle bir \u00fclke ve b\u00f6yle bir lider mutlaka bulunur.<br \/>\nHerhalde bulundu da ki \u015fu anda<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Orta Do\u011fu sizin s\u00f6yledi\u011finiz k\u0131vamda<br \/>\nBat\u0131 i\u00e7in istikrar\u0131 temsil eden bir istikrars\u0131zl\u0131k co\u011frafyaya hakim.<\/p>\n<p>Ama ortada b\u00fcy\u00fck bir sorunun oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. \u0130ran<br \/>\nSizin i\u00e7inde \u00f6yle de\u011fil mi?<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 -Ak\u0131ll\u0131 davran\u0131rsak giderek T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye benzeyebilecek bir \u00fclke ile u\u011fra\u015f\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Soru-Nas\u0131l yani. B\u00f6yle bir benze\u015fme T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin ka\u00e7 ad\u0131m geri,<\/p>\n<p>\u0130ran\u2019\u0131n ka\u00e7 ad\u0131m ileri gitmesi sonucu olabilir.<\/p>\n<p>olabilir mi?<\/p>\n<p>bu konuda g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015flerinizin de oldu\u011funu san\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n<p>Ama konuyu ki\u015fiselle\u015ftirmeden sorumu soray\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p>\u0130ran\u2019la bir s\u0131cak temas ihtimali ne?<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 \u2013 \u0130ran\u2019a yap\u0131lacak sald\u0131r\u0131 birle\u015fik devletlerinde kat\u0131lmas\u0131yla\u2026\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>bir Basra k\u00f6rfezi sava\u015f\u0131na d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015fecektir\u2026.<\/p>\n<p>bu sald\u0131r\u0131 ancak ola\u011fan\u00fcst\u00fc hallerde,<\/p>\n<p>en son \u00e7izgi ge\u00e7ildi\u011finde d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fclebilir.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Hala uyuyorum.<\/p>\n<p>Uyand\u0131\u011f\u0131mda bu r\u00fcyay\u0131 \u201cg\u00fcnd\u00fcz g\u00f6z\u00fcyle\u201d<\/p>\n<p>diye e\u015fe dosta anlataca\u011f\u0131m.<br \/>\nBu r\u00fcyadaki sorular\u0131ma cevaplar<\/p>\n<p>Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 ve scowcroft ta aittir.<br \/>\nCevaplar ikilinin 2008 y\u0131l\u0131nda Dav\u0131d Ignat\u0131us la yapt\u0131klar\u0131 s\u00f6yle\u015fiden al\u0131nm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p>Not: cevap veren ki\u015filer<\/p>\n<p>ABD de ulusal g\u00fcvenlik dan\u0131\u015fmanl\u0131\u011f\u0131 yapm\u0131\u015f ki\u015filerdir.<br \/>\nNot s\u00f6yle\u015fiyi y\u00f6neten ise \u201cvan minut\u201d olay\u0131n\u0131n oldu\u011fu toplant\u0131y\u0131 y\u00f6neten ki\u015fidir<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; R\u00fcyamda ABD de ulusal dan\u0131\u015fmanl\u0131k yapm\u0131\u015f iki ki\u015fiyle Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 ve Scowcroft la konu\u015fuyorum. Ben soruyorum, onlar cevap veriyor Konu\u015fma aynen \u015f\u00f6yle. &nbsp; Soru-Birinci d\u00fcnya sava\u015f\u0131 ne zaman tam olarak bitmi\u015ftir? Scowcroft -So\u011fuk sava\u015f\u0131n sona ermesi ayr\u0131ca Birinci d\u00fcnya sava\u015f\u0131n\u0131n da ger\u00e7ekten sona ermesi oldu &nbsp; Soru.Sava\u015f sonras\u0131 yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gereken nedir? Scowcroft -Sorunlu bir b\u00f6lge olan Orta Do\u011fudan ba\u015flay\u0131p, d\u00fcnyay\u0131 tekrar d\u00fczenleme ihtiyac\u0131m\u0131z var. &nbsp; Soru-Buna neden ihtiya\u00e7 duyuluyor ki? Brzez\u0131nsk\u0131 -K\u00fcresel g\u00fcc\u00fcn merkezi Atlantik d\u00fcnyas\u0131ndan uzak do\u011fuya do\u011fru bir&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1100","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-kosesizlik-yazilari","wpcat-4-id"],"views":830,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1100","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=1100"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1100\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1101,"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1100\/revisions\/1101"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=1100"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=1100"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.cevikce.net\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=1100"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}